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Ravenspine wings (discussion thread)

This glider was something no one ever wanted, if you so much as fucking Google the thing you'll find dozens of threads about it from Live and Reddit calling it the sole ruiner of PVP in the game, and the thing has made its impact here. All it does is promote gate-hopping and nui-hopping, and has no business being in the game. The Ravenspine is on the same vein as adding Invincibility to just activating Dropback or Mirror Warp. You press one button and you activate your glider and have enough time to press 2 other skills to book it back to safety only for you to wait out the cooldown so you can just jump out of the Nui, murder one person and hop back in. Make it an active like the Ezi Glider, or just get rid of the damn thing.

An invincibility on a glider's activation is a terrible idea. It doesn't need more nerfs in duration or punishment, it just needs to go the fuck away. If you don't have the glider, you're at a severe disadvantage, and if you do have the glider you're either using it as an oh-shit button, or your entire behavior in PVP relies on this one item, and that's not how it should be. We didn't want it when you asked, you gave it to us anyway when we told you it would fuck up small-scale PVP, and it did exactly that.
 
I would also very much like to know why you took the time to open up a thread like this @Sparkle, when everything we said was shoved under the carpet.
You left us sitting in the dark the moment you finished writing the first post. Up until it released, we never got to have a conversation with you in this thread at all, you disappeared leaving us uninformed of what you are going to do with the player input we gave you. All we knew was weeks later it was going to be in a box with the one exact thing just about everyone in this thread did not want to see the ravenspine wings have - instant immunity upon usage.
Your only reply basically showed your ignorancy towards the impact this ability has on PvP.

Immunity on this glider was changed from 5 seconds to 2 seconds only. You'll waste one of these 2 seconds only to take off. So you are left with 1 sec only. That is not something that give you a huge privilege in the battle.

If you believe that 2 seconds is too short of a duration to give you great benefit, then you clearly haven't been watching or experiencing PvP on your own server at all. 2 seconds in PvP are a lifetime duration in such a fast paced game like this. With those 2 seconds, you're given the opportunity to safely lift yourself up and with that, out of anything that is supposed to keep you in place (Boneyard, Imprison, Anthalon Pull..), the Teleport in addition to the Takeoff skill further gives you the ability to even "outrun" archers, who undoubtly are given the highest range for attacking targets. The only skill that you'll be able to use on someone that ravenspines away is Snipe, cast it too early you'll hit the immunity, cast it too late & it will cancel the Snipe as your target flew out of range. It is next to impossible to get someone off a Ravenspine flying back to his group or Nui, unless you predict his takeoff, play with low ping and perfectly time your ability. Classes with playstyles that benefit from being ON your enemy, such as Tanks & Melees are the only ones given a wonderful utility to combat Ravenspine and that is the Red Dragon Glider. But even that thing doesn't do anything when your target has a Nui or his entire raid in reach of those 2 seconds of immunity, following would be suicide. Ravenspine is simply a nobrainer that takes 0 skill to use, it's a panic button to press to give yourself a second life over others. It's a relentless way to get in, kill 5 people and get out without worries for so many of the geared players in this server. Yet despite all of this - both, the people who have it & those who don't, don't want this glider to be in the game in the state it is at right now. Does no one in the team see what is wrong with that ? Tons of people use this Glider not because they like it but because they feel like there is no point in using something else and they feel forced to equip it for blatantly obvious reasons.

My suggestion hoping anyone in the team actually reads this:
Remove or lower the instant immunity to 1s or below. This doesn't render the Ravenspine useless. You're still given the ability to get yourself out of an Anthalon Pull or a Viscous Implosion before getting Hellspeared, you'll still be able to hit it as a panic button if you see someone throw his Behind Enemy Lines hammer on you to avoid the snare, when you see someone charge a Concussive or Arc Lightning on you. Ravenspine would be so much more of a glider that you'd have to actually think about when to use it. It'd remain a great utility tool for many things, but it would no longer be a tool to get you anywhere safely without having to worry about death. 1 Second gives archers & mages the opportunity to hold the DPS on target until immunity wears off. Ravenspine shouldn't be used when youre 5% health, it should be used to avoid certain CC or used prematurely to have an enemy waste his skills.
 
I suggest remove the invincibility. Opening your glider and flying away from pvp is bs. The only glider im ok with doing this is the crafted glider Ezi's glider that invincibility is its only purpose.
 
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The big difference with Ezi is that on Ezi it is active skill that you have to cast so people on the ground still have some time to take you down but having instant inv on top of huge mobility burst is way too much.

There is a golden rule in games if an item is so strong that literally anyone should have it regardless of class, race or play-style, if it is the single best in slot option that you either have or you fall behind or the only counter to that item is to have the same item then it is a bullshit OP item that should have never existed in first place.
 
@Sparkle The invincibility on these gliders needs to be removed. It is a huge crutch that everyone relies on, and it constantly enables people that should have long been dead to stay in the fight. For people that don't have them they are at a huge disadvantage.

There are far too many OP gliders in this game now. The sloth glider used to be the most OP, because it enabled you to escape. Now people have ravenspine, which lets them get super far away in small scale PVP, fully get healed and come back again. Then they use their ezi's. Then they use the God of War glider. This has completely changed the field and screwed up PVP. Needs to go away
 
@Sparkle The invincibility on these gliders needs to be removed. It is a huge crutch that everyone relies on, and it constantly enables people that should have long been dead to stay in the fight. For people that don't have them they are at a huge disadvantage.

There are far too many OP gliders in this game now. The sloth glider used to be the most OP, because it enabled you to escape. Now people have ravenspine, which lets them get super far away in small scale PVP, fully get healed and come back again. Then they use their ezi's. Then they use the God of War glider. This has completely changed the field and screwed up PVP. Needs to go away
nah. I rather not get one shot by leggy/mythic drs or p2w archers. leave it alone.
 
Do you have any idea what you are talking about m8 . Have you ever fought anyone rotating immunity glider. To immunity mount charge to the immunity ezi glider. Shit is just retarded. You can hold immunity for atleast 45 seconds if someone macros it properly. How do you consider that good pvp content. That’s not even considering if you are close to a nuia or not because If that person is . They are unkillable.
 
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