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4.5 hiram

hiram need to be nerfed
1. in the status
2. when you feeding it
3. increase the amount of gold to feed
4. Increase the amout of labor
If hiram not gonna be nerfed, please say it here, i am not gonna waste my time farming ayanad/obsidian and when hiram comes anyone can easy catch up my gear in 1 week what it took me 6 months to get
 
So if eventualy we getting Hiram and lets say it will stay how it was in oficial patchers, why play now and try make gear ? Just wait for hiram come back here in 6 months for ez gear.

Because it is the natural evolution of every game, from time to time world bosses and more difficult instances must appear and for this reason more powerful equipment appears. Why improve the gs now and not wait for the update?, the answer is simple, so that when the update is done to you it will be easier to get the new equipment. If now you are not going to play because in 6 months a better equipment will appear, then you will never play because better equipment will always be coming out: first it existed until epherium, then delphinad, ayanad and obsidian with their tiers. It's like saying: "I'm not going to buy a PC now because in 6 months a better one will come out" or do you play with a PC with MS Windows 95?

The discussion is partly about obsidian as well because on retail it got removed, and people don't want it removed on AR... People like me who quit live because obsi got removed and don't want it to happen again.

So yes on the one hand there's the comparision with erenor, and on the other with obsidian, because most people on the private server want to be able to choose and not have choice taken away.

I think that hiram is the evolution of obsidian and that is why in the official server obsidian ends up disappearing, to make way for hiram. I think it's a good idea to keep the obsidian, but that's not why you're going to lower the stats to the hiram. It's like saying that Intel is not going to get better processors than Pentium One because people don't want to buy new computers. It is the evolution of things, you can continue using your Pentium I, but with the passage of time less you can do with it.
 
Because it is the natural evolution of every game, from time to time world bosses and more difficult instances must appear and for this reason more powerful equipment appears. Why improve the gs now and not wait for the update?, the answer is simple, so that when the update is done to you it will be easier to get the new equipment. If now you are not going to play because in 6 months a better equipment will appear, then you will never play because better equipment will always be coming out: first it existed until epherium, then delphinad, ayanad and obsidian with their tiers. It's like saying: "I'm not going to buy a PC now because in 6 months a better one will come out" or do you play with a PC with MS Windows 95?

Your statement is flawed because everytime a new tier was released, people who already maxed out on gear could simply improve it.
Introducing hiram will not come with a higher obsidian tier than 7. So you cannot compare the gear introduction from the past with what we are facing now.
Your gear (if you invested in obsidian) won't be given the ability to improve, and in a handful of weeks people investing elsewhere have better gear.
 
Your statement is flawed because everytime a new tier was released, people who already maxed out on gear could simply improve it.
Introducing hiram will not come with a higher obsidian tier than 7. So you cannot compare the gear introduction from the past with what we are facing now.
Your gear (if you invested in obsidian) won't be given the ability to improve, and in a handful of weeks people investing elsewhere have better gear.
Of course, if you think that the current top equipment will be an ingredient to create the new top equipment. This does not happen with Hiram, so I said it would not be bad for them to maintain obsidian equipment. And I also said it's like buying a new PC, the old PC will not be a part of the new one. But at what level will hiram reach when the update is done? Celestial? divine? none of the two will rival a legendary or epic equipment. But still with obsidian you have several options, turn them into Hiram Infusions. You should also keep in mind that you will get the items faster with a legendary t7 obsidian than with a t5 divine obsidian. I also believe that we are discussing for nothing, by the time the hiram equipment is implemented in epic grade, a year will have passed xD...
 
You would be surprised on how strong hiram is.
Its stats are stronger then obsdian
it has no crappy rng system when 'regrading'
you have 3 stats that you can choose urself(of course u may have to change it but in the end once its complete its really good even compared to obsidian)
so in the end, why would someone choose obsidian over hiram when its better in every way if hiram is not nerfed/changed or obsidian not buffed?
 
Your statement is flawed because everytime a new tier was released, people who already maxed out on gear could simply improve it.
Introducing hiram will not come with a higher obsidian tier than 7. So you cannot compare the gear introduction from the past with what we are facing now.
Your gear (if you invested in obsidian) won't be given the ability to improve, and in a handful of weeks people investing elsewhere have better gear.
When Obs came out it trampled Hasla gear, what did you upgrade your Hasla to? nothing, everyone switched to obs. So what was all that grind for?

Hiram is not a matter of weeks but longer, and i don't think 4.5 is going to bring enough to just surpass current gear at epic+. 4.5 stuff will cap early, it cannot be tempered, it will socket less gems etc. It might be awhile (5.0+) before Hiram tops current high end, so we are light-years away from that. And when it does happen, nothings preventing you from getting it too, geared people will get it easily, and the obsidian they wear now can be broken down into hiram/erenor infusions later.

If the problem is keeping obsidian (not able to craft), then let it stay, as long as you understand it'll eventually become hasla v2, and i don't think many are going to miss the whole p2w inducing casino like gambling we currently call "progress". No way id want Hiram nerfed just to keep that on a pedestal.

Like i read from someone a couple posts back, it'd be "a beautiful thing" to see the server steer ever more clear of RMT/sheer gold invested as means of pvp. We got the 100% gems with 4.0, Hiram starting with 4.5 sounds just fine. At 5.0+ as hiram goes up the gears, i would remove erenor nerf too.
 
You would be surprised on how strong hiram is.
Its stats are stronger then obsdian
it has no crappy rng system when 'regrading'
you have 3 stats that you can choose urself(of course u may have to change it but in the end once its complete its really good even compared to obsidian)
so in the end, why would someone choose obsidian over hiram when its better in every way if hiram is not nerfed/changed or obsidian not buffed?
I do not say that you choose it over obsidian, I just say that people who already have obsidian t7 or tier something and they want to keep their obsidian they can do it.
 
well I will give my last point and suggestion on the subject, then I will be waiting for you to decide to do.
I honestly still do not understand the people who ask nerf hiram to obsidian to remain strong, I suppose they will have obsidian t7 or similar and do not want to change their equipment (by the way I currently have a T7 weapon and obsidian equipment) but well I will give a suggestion regarding this later.

my point of view is the same nerf of hiram as well as erenor, -10% statistics, and nothing more no buff obsidian or greater nerf to hiram for the benefit of the obsidian gear. I will put comparisons of damage and liabilities to make this clearer and that some orders are unnecessary and ridiculous.

in case some do not know the patch 4.5 only brings us hiram t1 (max celestial grade) and t2 (max grade divine) then I will make comparisons with normal hiram and below I will write the difference with the nerf -10% as well as erenor.

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well here we have the hiram t2 with its maximum degree in divine and its statistics to the maximum. if we apply the -10% nerf would be
Dps: 574.2 ---> 516.7
x normal stat 96 ---> 86
x critical rate 5.1% ---> 4.5%
x critical dmg 14.4% ---> 12.9%


There really isn't much to discuss here, the hiram t2 loses 60 damage in exchange for critical rate and dmg compared to epic t6 and ayanad divine (accessible weapons and in the average population). In this comparison we only see that the hiram t2 is an excellent secondary weapon.
I will not enlarge the post comparing hiram t2 with obsidian t7 you can check it yourself, but it is clear that obsidian t7 epic or legendary is much stronger than a hiram t2 divine. Therefore, with regard to the 4.5 obsidian t7 patch, it will remain very strong. especially if we count the unique passives of obsidian t7 in the case of some weapons.

Now let's go a little further, to patch 5.0, when hiram t3 (max grade epic) will come and make a comparison this time with obsidian t7 epic and legendary.

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again I will put the stats of the hiram t3 with -10% statistics
Dps 917.7 ---> 825.9
x normal stat 165 ---> 148
x critical rate 7.9% ---> 7.1%
x critical dmg 22,3% ---> 20%


well if we compare hiram t3 with epic t7 we see that hiram t3 has +20 damage, - normal stat, same critical dmg but if critical rate compared to t7, we can conclude that it is superior in everything (although I have not really seen almost anyone go with obsidian epic t7).

Now let's compare with the legendary obsidian t7, which is one of the top weapon today.
let's see obsidian t7 has +80 damage, + normal stat, + 1% critical dmg, but it doesn't have that 7% critical rate compared to hiram t3, however it is quite superior in everything else. therefore obsidian legendary t7 will remain strong, it is true hiram t3 is easier to do however it will not be better than a legendary obsidian t7 which is also accessible. If you want to save and buy / make your obsidian you can do it and the whole patch 4.5 (only hiram t2 divine) and even 5.0 (hiram t3 epic) will remain strong.
 
well I will give my last point and suggestion on the subject, then I will be waiting for you to decide to do.
I honestly still do not understand the people who ask nerf hiram to obsidian to remain strong, I suppose they will have obsidian t7 or similar and do not want to change their equipment (by the way I currently have a T7 weapon and obsidian equipment) but well I will give a suggestion regarding this later.

my point of view is the same nerf of hiram as well as erenor, -10% statistics, and nothing more no buff obsidian or greater nerf to hiram for the benefit of the obsidian gear. I will put comparisons of damage and liabilities to make this clearer and that some orders are unnecessary and ridiculous.

in case some do not know the patch 4.5 only brings us hiram t1 (max celestial grade) and t2 (max grade divine) then I will make comparisons with normal hiram and below I will write the difference with the nerf -10% as well as erenor.

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well here we have the hiram t2 with its maximum degree in divine and its statistics to the maximum. if we apply the -10% nerf would be
Dps: 574.2 ---> 516.7
x normal stat 96 ---> 86
x critical rate 5.1% ---> 4.5%
x critical dmg 14.4% ---> 12.9%


There really isn't much to discuss here, the hiram t2 loses 60 damage in exchange for critical rate and dmg compared to epic t6 and ayanad divine (accessible weapons and in the average population). In this comparison we only see that the hiram t2 is an excellent secondary weapon.
I will not enlarge the post comparing hiram t2 with obsidian t7 you can check it yourself, but it is clear that obsidian t7 epic or legendary is much stronger than a hiram t2 divine. Therefore, with regard to the 4.5 obsidian t7 patch, it will remain very strong. especially if we count the unique passives of obsidian t7 in the case of some weapons.

Now let's go a little further, to patch 5.0, when hiram t3 (max grade epic) will come and make a comparison this time with obsidian t7 epic and legendary.

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again I will put the stats of the hiram t3 with -10% statistics
Dps 917.7 ---> 825.9
x normal stat 165 ---> 148
x critical rate 7.9% ---> 7.1%
x critical dmg 22,3% ---> 20%


well if we compare hiram t3 with epic t7 we see that hiram t3 has +20 damage, - normal stat, same critical dmg but if critical rate compared to t7, we can conclude that it is superior in everything (although I have not really seen almost anyone go with obsidian epic t7).

Now let's compare with the legendary obsidian t7, which is one of the top weapon today.
let's see obsidian t7 has +80 damage, + normal stat, + 1% critical dmg, but it doesn't have that 7% critical rate compared to hiram t3, however it is quite superior in everything else. therefore obsidian legendary t7 will remain strong, it is true hiram t3 is easier to do however it will not be better than a legendary obsidian t7 which is also accessible. If you want to save and buy / make your obsidian you can do it and the whole patch 4.5 (only hiram t2 divine) and even 5.0 (hiram t3 epic) will remain strong.
i think is the best solution and most reasonable, just like it was done with erenor. And i am considering getting hiram myself either way.
 
So does anyone have a problem if Hiram is nerfed say 10%? Obsidian is left untouched in all future patches? And Erenor nerf is reduced in future patches?

If Obsidian isn't changed, I doubt Hiram will have opposition. People will have a choice to which route to go. Those who worked on their gear can keep it as is. In future patches, Hiram slowly creeps its way to be equal to Obsidian giving those who already are team Obsidian to either improve upon their obsidian gear (provided obsidian isn't removed) or farm Hiram while keeping their gear.
 
And Erenor nerf is reduced in future patches?

The erenor nerf should never be reverted. The nerf came with the advantage of requiring -30% less exp to feed weapons & armor. That is a fuck ton of gold from divine and above that you are saving. Reverting the nerf will end up in creating the exact opposite than what was asked for in the past. People will run around with legendary/mythic erenor's for a fracture of their supposed cost, with full stats.

Erenor is fine. There is a lot of people running around with legendary erenor items regardless of the whining that has happened about the nerf, showing that it remains strong as players still decide to go that way everyday.
 
I think HIram is a trash idea and shouldn't be added to the game. Just another one of the many reasons the live server died.

I personally like the amount of people it draws into pvp zones for farming (mostly because I'm not worried about dying), but that's also an issue because there are so many players that get upset about dying when the're only trying to farm.

I wouldn't normally care, but I can already foresee the population dropping due to the amount of people rage quitting. "How am I supposed to get better if I can't farm for the gear upgrades?" *RAGE QUITS. RIP GAME POPULATION*

Just drop Hiram entirely, and keep handing new players the gear packs. I'm not sure if there's a better incentive to draw people in tbh.
 
Good to all, I will ask and also give my opinion, any of those present plays with a Windows XP or 7? not true, because you update the version to Windows better. Well, in the game it's exactly the same, the obsidian is behind, so that we upgrade to hiram or erenor. So let's update our set, good luck to all

I have an XP box that I still use; newer doesn't always mean better. I'm going to hold off on regrading and upgrading my Obsidian gear until we find out whether it's a waste of resources or not.
 
I think HIram is a trash idea and shouldn't be added to the game. Just another one of the many reasons the live server died.

I personally like the amount of people it draws into pvp zones for farming (mostly because I'm not worried about dying), but that's also an issue because there are so many players that get upset about dying when the're only trying to farm.

I wouldn't normally care, but I can already foresee the population dropping due to the amount of people rage quitting. "How am I supposed to get better if I can't farm for the gear upgrades?" *RAGE QUITS. RIP GAME POPULATION*

Just drop Hiram entirely, and keep handing new players the gear packs. I'm not sure if there's a better incentive to draw people in tbh.

With the support packs being handed out, new players need not go through the trouble of farming a nerfed Hiram. They can put it off and play other content. Obsidian and crafted gear stays as is, so high GS people need not bully those farming Hiram cuz they are not going to loose Obsidian and its craft later (as the suggestion I put forth). The only ones who are probably going to farm Hiram amongst established player base are those of us curious folks that want to have an alternative gear they want to try out for a class.
Live messed up because established players felt threatened with how their obsidian is going to be obsolete and had to put themselves through farming Hiram and killing others that got in their way. Thus leading to the rage quitting you spoke off. Like west is PK'd by HCIC on daily basis. Did the entire west just give up running packs from conflict zones...NO.
And even if there are going to be PK'ers in Hiram farming zones (just because of their twisted sense of fun and content), having obsidian and crafted, hell even dungeon gear as an alternative still exists.
 
Making an obvious best-in-slot gear set with the same progression path that doesn't require much gold or really any crafting limits opportunities for players to enjoy the game the way that they want to enjoy it if they want to stay competitive.

The whole point of hiram gear was to close the gearscore gap and make the game less P2W. Erenor gear is supposed to be more powerful than Ayanad, and Hiram gear is supposed to be more powerful than Erenor. You just want to hold people back so you can continue to be the top dog. Your idea of competitive is to roll over other people without effort.
 
Live messed up because established players felt threatened with how their obsidian is going to be obsolete and had to put themselves through farming Hiram and killing others that got in their way. Thus leading to the rage quitting you spoke off. Like west is PK'd by HCIC on daily basis. Did the entire west just give up running packs from conflict zones...NO.
And even if there are going to be PK'ers in Hiram farming zones (just because of their twisted sense of fun and content), having obsidian and crafted, hell even dungeon gear as an alternative still exists.

People quit live for a variety of reasons not just beacuse of hiram gear. The P2W, the changes to trade, making charcoal hard to get and yet required in a lot of recipes, the bugs, the cm's lying, the cheating and botting that was supported by the Trion staff, all of that did not help keep people either.
 
The whole point of hiram gear was to close the gearscore gap and make the game less P2W. Erenor gear is supposed to be more powerful than Ayanad, and Hiram gear is supposed to be more powerful than Erenor. You just want to hold people back so you can continue to be the top dog. Your idea of competitive is to roll over other people without effort.
Hiram is definitely not supposed to be more powerful than erenor ?, that's the entire premise around t2 erenor. The synthesis effects of hiram are stronger than the effects of t2 erenor, but the higher raw dps of erenor makes up for the gap.
 
I came to AR to avoid supporting Trion and their gutting of content and patches, like my friends who came with me. We didn't come to AR to be stuck in a 3.0 time capsule server LOL. There's another time capsule server if you wanna be stuck in 3.0. Rage is great because they're actually attempting to progress through the patches and customize them without gutting them.

Sir, you are spot on!
 
Hiram is definitely not supposed to be more powerful than erenor ?, that's the entire premise around t2 erenor. The synthesis effects of hiram are stronger than the effects of t2 erenor, but the higher raw dps of erenor makes up for the gap.

On live Hiram gear is all anyone is going for. Sure they still have crafted gear but the only upgrades I see is for Hiram. If Hiram and T2 erenor are pretty close to being equal then there should not be any complaining.
 
On live Hiram gear is all anyone is going for. Sure they still have crafted gear but the only upgrades I see is for Hiram. If Hiram and T2 erenor are pretty close to being equal then there should not be any complaining.
Yeah erenor is outside of the cost range for almost all practical players, really only for whales. Most people will use hiram/library.
 
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