trapwhre02
Well-Known Member
If you think something different, you're an idiot.
That's not only rude it's also a shit argumentation. Everyone is free to think what they want and have their own opinion.
If you think something different, you're an idiot.
If you aren't prepared to stand behind what you assert, what are you adding? If you hold the one glorious shining truth, let us all in on the secret.
So you're putting your fingers in your ears, saying, "LA LA LA LA LA LA" and still somehow know what the contents are? Can there be a philosophical concept known as Schroedinger's Ignorance, and did we just discover it?
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I fully understand what you're getting at here. PNs have people with English as a second/third/whatever language. No-one suggested they didn't. What they tend not to have are people who can't speak a lick of English, and don't try to communicate or understand. Now I'm not criticising those people per se, but the PNs don't have to deal with them, the southern nations do, and therein lies (part) of the problem.
Okay, we'll take your word for it as you've done so well so far expressing yourself.
Certainly you have a point in terms of gold generation and a not inconsiderable amount of rebalancing that would have to be done, but this is a tangential argument.
Oh dear. You don't do yourself any favours.
Not liking the removal of PNs is completely fine - this is just a discussion after all and it's helpful to get all the issues thrashed out. Decrying the existence of the thread, issuing weird declarations that you're not reading said thread and then issuing a big fatwa of stupidity... kind reflects more on you and your inability to contribute. Do better.
That said, I think there is an issue with the way the system works at the moment, although I'm not sure that the removal of PNs is the way to go. At this stage of the game they're inherently built into it. What we can say is that with hindsight, looking at the live servers, we know that the PNs didn't positively impact the health of the game, that they were ultimately removed (or are just about to be), and that given we have the benefit of hindsight, we don't have to follow the XL/Trion path of glorious incompetence.
Taylor made a suggestion above about PN members being sent to jail if killed in the southern continents. I could get behind this. The consequence-free zergling rush of PN from whichever convenient Nui they've been blessed with isn't the most exhilarating thing ever. It's not dissimilar to the solution on live but it keeps the 'prestige' of castles and rewards and all that auroria-based non-southern pvp that PN members claim to want.
Make good points, be less toxic. This will get resolved a lot faster.
That's not only rude it's also a shit argumentation. Everyone is free to think what they want and have their own opinion.
Lmao, go dissect someone else, yet again no merit to all of that. If you are too busy commenting on each section of something I type, then yet again more reasons for the thread to close. It's also Schrodinger's Ignorance, actually read something before actually insulting someone. I have not directed anything towards a person, don't direct things at me.
There were a few valid points to it, the main ones being the heaviest GS folks being in the same groups. But how is fair to force them apart as well? They do happen to be friends as well. Changing some of the economics involved looked to be the most promising thing mentioned. Otherwise you are just going to make more people stop playing, since they cannot play with their friends.
They are also stuck where they are with items, gearing and such that is static to the faction they started with. They took a path that led them to the place they are through game mechanics and now people are basically saying NO YOU HAVE TO BE SPLIT UP, due to winning the top level 5% of the video game.. I do not see that as healthy for the server at all. It will force not only players to leave, but some who actually donate to said server.
What are the benefits of having PNs to the server's health?
You simply cannot tell those people that have been playing together through the game mechanics, "hey fk off split up because I'm getting farmed at halcy"
PNs getting disbanded won't change the fact that West will continue to get farmed, instead of dying to 8 PN1 in halcy, you would be dying to 7 east players of PN1 +10 east pugs.
Yes, you can. Just like hiram screwed veteran players, making their gear less valuable as there is then another way of getting similar gear with less effort.
Your selfish mindset is what ruins this server. This is about long-term solutions and whether people like it initially or not, they'll get used to it.
ArcheAge players always had to adapt, they will continue to do so. And removing or adjusting PN, they will do it again, and if they decide to quit, then that is a worthy loss if they get replaced by at least 1 new player. Besides, nobody is forced to split up, Pirate faction always exists.
It will change things, you're lying to yourself if you deny it. Since you took halcy as example: PN won't longer play god at mainland events, deciding who gets to win regardless of faction-wide progress. If either nuia or haranya get their shit together and win halcyona due to sheer dedication and commitment, then there shouldn't be a third party blocking your rewards.
If the admins remove player nations but give us a choice to re-chose our character's faction, everyone will choose east. The east will actually have competent leaders. West will get steamrolled. West is frail and quits when it's even numbers. You can't even tell me I'm wrong. Every time we ally east, west doesn't show up to anything.
PNs getting disbanded won't change the fact that West will continue to get farmed, instead of dying to 8 PN1 in halcy, you would be dying to 7 east players of PN1 +10 east pugs.
You think we care if that's the outcome? Like I said numerous times in this thread, I was leading Halcy when it was 9 Nuians against a full raid of East getting farmed, 6 weeks straight. We aren't averse to getting steamrolled.
If there is a cross-country race between two people, we don't think the guy who hitches a ride with a passing car should be the one to win.
If there is a dog show and it's down to Mr. Jones' poodle and Mrs. Bixby's dachshund, if a leopard shows up unexpectedly we don't think the winner should be whomever's dog survives getting mauled by a leopard.
If there is an amateur hot dog eating competition, we don't think the guy who brings a starving Joey Chestnut to help him out should be allowed to win.
If two middle school football teams are playing a game, we don't think the team that substitutes in anyone from the NFL should be allowed to win.
We all want to fight in an event designed to be East vs West without interference. It is a PVP event designed for that and one that allows people the ability to lead and get better in an isolated environment to prepare for PVP elsewhere. If PN allies East, East doesn't learn much...sure they gain something, but there isn't much of a learning experience for their leadership and their PVP-interested members.
I also enjoy hearing "well you guys outnumber East". Is that OUR fault? Is it OUR fault that one week it was 65v70 in Halcy for the first time in months, and the next week it was 5v50 because a majority of the East left to PN? If that's what you're saying, we're flattered! But when my friends left to PN, I got murdered, helped murder them, and shot the shit with them later. I don't see how being in opposing factions immediately equates to "not friends anymore". Are you guys that frail you can't fight each other in opposing factions? Shit NOW IT MAKES SENSE! It simply sounds like you calling the West frail is projecting.
You're so delusional it's unreal. You literally admitted in this thread that you disband your raid if you don't have the numbers.
If anyone is struggling to make sense of these shit tier analogies, I'll break them down:
"Delete pn so we can unfairly zerg east every halcy for our 5 medals sparkle pls."
I mean...it's in the quest line.Can I see this rule book to halcyona that states whos allowed to attend and whos not? Weird that no one else has seen or heard about it.
Halcyona is not an "isolated environment". It's literally an open world pvp event.
So is it east's fault the good majority of east stopped playing/showing up to halcyona? It's literally no one's fault. You're not even good at playing this victim card you so desperatle adhere to.
I also like the part where flipsy didn't respond to any of the points I made in my last post because he knows they're true.
tldr:
Flipsy is still desperate for player nations to be removed so he can zerg east's 20 man raid with west's 50 man raid.
I enjoy the cherry-picking, it's really odd to have someone calling me delusional when you can't even comprehend English correctly AND can't do math or deductive reasoning in a mildly-competent manner. Here, let me break it down for you:
-If we bring 40 and you bring 12 and wipe the raid, 10 of that 40 leave. Guaranteed. No convincing fixes that.
-By deductive reasoning, if 40 couldn't take you on, 30 couldn't take you on.
-Handfuls of people who stay ask if they're cool to leave.
Sorry I'd rather keep people happy in the face of defeat than tell them to fight a brick wall when they're already down. But I don't look at you and say "fuck it" and hit the disband button. I am not Zielony, I am not Volpe, I am not Tax. I keep going until a majority of the people are unhappy and then cut my losses. It's just a few medals to me anyway, I'm already sitting on 1100 of them.
It must be hard coming up with another reason why we want something to be done about PN participation in an event meant for the vanilla factions
I mean...it's in the quest line.
https://archeage.gamepedia.com/The_War_for_Halcyona (NPC in front of the portal in each Capital City: Marianople and Austera)
https://www.ign.com/wikis/archeage/Battle_for_the_Golden_Plains (Questgiver for this quest is either the Nuia or Haranya Alliance captain)
I don't see a "Player Nation Alliance base" block of text on the map. I see a "Player Nation Defense Base" in Whalesong Harbor, so it's not like the game map is missing that information. Weird, do you see something I don't?
Majority of the East's force (from what I remember) came from Lads and uwu, who went to PN not long after that super-long Halcy we had where it was like...60v70. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault, but using that whole "white knight" shit argument of "you'll just steamroll East' is just in bad taste, because it isn't OUR fault that reset Halcy went from East outnumbering us by 10 to West outnumbering East by 30, yet that's the rebuttal I keep getting.
What point? That you are afraid you'll be unable to hang out in discord with them and play other games if you go back to your home factions yet there are hundreds of friendships still going on despite those people being in opposing factions? That some of the most toxic people on the server will quit if PN's get removed? What point do you want me to dispute? I agree with both of them!
Except West doesn't even pull 30. MAYBE 40 on a good day. Plus, the East is bringing more numbers in with some real firepower behind them, they're turning it around after the single-digits Footlong had! But back on topic, do you think my plan is to stick around with the West raid and keep leading? You've seen what happens when I take a day off of leading reset raid or Halcyona. No one on West shows up. I don't want to lead Halcy forever. It's 3 hours past when I want to go to bed, and yet whenever you guys show up to Halcy, guess who has his DM's blown up to lead the raid.
My plan was to take Trickster out of the raid and start helping other players who want to lead do it. Taking out some of the heaviest hitters the West raid has would level the playing field immensely, but again...every time you guys show up, I get asked to come lead because I (depressingly) have the highest success rate against what you guys have. No joke, if you don't bring any PN to a Halcy, I am quite honestly interested in seeing what a pure East vs West raid would do without my getting physically involved. Without my heavy hitters getting involved. But many of your members log in JUST to join/disrupt Halcyona and so I can't do that. But eventually, I'd like to go to bed at a decent hour, or spend an evening doing something else and have others lead. Yet if I don't lead, I get spammed by people asking me to do so, I get hate mail from people who assume I tell the West to no-show Halcy, and all of this shit is honestly quite ridiculous when you put it all together.
What are you even saying? "I'm delusional because I don't comprehend english or math"? I literally restated exactly what you previously said. It's not cherry picking when it's your core argument for the post. So which is it pal, do you stay and get farmed? or do you disband? You can't do both. Clearly you're pissed and throwing out random insults. Nice lmao.
I'm not interested in the game lore, I'm interested in actual game mechanics (something I know you care very little of learning). So once again I ask, where is the rule stating who is allowed and who isn't allowed in the zone? I didn't realize we were playing live in an instanced halcyona.
White knight shit? lmao. The rebuttal isn't that it's west's fault. The rebuttal is it's no one's fault. The rebuttal is east is getting zerged so we help east... what is so complicated that your walnut-sized brain can't comprehend that?
All of this text is irrelevant, You outnumber east on a 1:3 ratio and still cry about the game being unfair to you.
TLDR:
Flipsy is still pissed and wants pn removed so he can zerg east.