Meus
New Member
Hi, I don't know if my contribution to this thread will mean anything at this point (since it's basically just repeating what other people said and it's stupidly wordy) but here it is. Also, I only have experience with East faction so idk if this applies for West or not.
On the original topic of this thread: I agree that having something in addition to tax certs might help with the problem of land barons only logging in to pay taxes. However, as far as what that actual item should be...I don't know. Although adding iron/stone/lumber to the tax cert process might boost the market for those items, I don't think it would make a big enough impact for the mega land barons who probably have enough gold to spare. It might encourage smaller land barons to let go of some of their land, but what would be stopping the mega land barons and the usual land grabbers from grabbing those plots once they demo/expire? I don't know if introducing a new kind of item/currency (or a daily/weekly quest task thing?) would help or just mess everything up. Another option could be to exponentially increase the amount of taxes that must be paid per additional plot or, like someone mentioned before, increase the amount of taxes on design placement or limit the frequency of how often a player can place a design down. Also, like many people stated before, limiting the amount of land that can be owned might be an option, but based on square footage or types of plots instead of number of plots. It would suck, and I would hate it, but it might be necessary. Unfortunately for now, the only quick-fix I can think of is to rely on the goodwill of the players. People need to be willing to let go of plots they're not using so newer players can have a chance to use them, and newer players that are picky with land need to understand that it might be unrealistic to aim for a prime spot (like next to an ocean) this late in the game. Existing players renting out plots might help some newer players, and I know there have at least been some efforts by existing players towards this. Maybe if there's enough people doing that, someone could make a thread with all the people who have land available for rent/use specifically for new players or something, idk. I'm just brainstorming ideas.
(Tl;dr Iron/stone/lumber in addition to taxes is probably not significant enough to make an impact on mega land barons, and demos will likely just go to another land baron or a land grabber. Might have to rely on goodwill of existing players or just outright cap the amount of land players can own)
On the topic of "open" land: In terms of "open" spots, there's a good chance there will not be anything above an 8x8. However, there are plenty of plots that undergo demolition. Sometimes plots aren't being used because the owner just logs in to pay taxes, but other times it's empty because the person quit or got banned or otherwise does not play the game anymore. Even plots that seem like they're being used can demo. My point is, inspect every plot for any signs of it demoing, take note of the date and time, and prepare to snag it once it expires. However, if you want a plot next to the ocean or specialty workbench, you're not going to find one unless you buy it from someone else or you're super lucky and have great ping. Prime spots like oceans are always being contested for, so there is a very low chance you'll be able to get land there. If all you want is a place to put a 16x16 scarecrow, look into places that are more inland or not as popular, such as arid and tropical climate areas. Your first 16x16 may not be in an ideal spot, but it should be enough to get you started so you can either buy more land or wait for more demos to claim.
(Tl;dr For players looking for land: Look for demos in not-as-popular housing zones or not-as-popular climates. If you're picky with land...good luck?)
My personal experience with land that no one cares about: When I started a few weeks after the October launch, I couldn't find any open spots. I ended up having to start with an 8x8 on the outskirts of the city of Mahadevi. I was really picky about my land though, and I really wanted a spot in Villanelle near the ocean because it was a temperate climate and oceans are cool. But no matter how hard I looked (and I looked in every nook and cranny in Villanelle), I couldn't find any open space. Not even anything demoing. I was very close to just quitting at that point. But I didn't (for some reason), I just farmed away on my tiny little plot in the middle of nowhere. A week or two later, my friend (who started before me) gave me two 16x16 plots in Windscour because he didn't need them anymore. I wasn't too thrilled about it since it was an arid climate, but land was land. At the same time, I was still watching all the plots in Villanelle closely, waiting for a demo. I managed to find an uncontested 16x16 in the housing province above The Paddies. Within a few weeks, I ended up getting 4 16x16s and 1 24x24 just in the area above The Paddies (2 of the 16x16s and the 24x24 came from a liberally spaced treehouse that expired but whatever). I tried contesting for land next to the ocean but...nope, my ping was way too bad and there were too many people. I had to give up on land near the ocean. Fast forward another month, where I stumbled across an open 16x16 space that probably demo'd a few hours ago. After decided I didn't need it, I gave it to my neighbor for free because I saw they were struggling to get more than 1 16x16 plot and everyone else owned the entire province. Fast forward again to a few days ago, I was able to snag 3 28x28s in Windscour, uncontested of course, and only because it was a natural reaction for me to grab expiring land. I don't actually need it, and definitely don't want to pay all the taxes for it (because I use a lot of labor just from farming because I'm a massive carebear). All I want now is a specific 28x28 plot right next to Windscour Lake, and then I can probably just demo the rest of my Windscour plots (because it's annoying trying to sell land). Maybe some Villanelle ones too. Honestly the only reason I'm still keeping them is so I could possibly offer it up for trade to a specific person in exchange for the specific plot I want. I am actually so desperate for it. ...What was the point of this paragraph again? Anyways, if you're new and need help, send me mail (because I hardly ever look at chat) and I'll try to help you out as best as I can!
(Tl;dr For new players: Don't give up. Be patient and persistent. Also, send me mail in game if you need help finding land or something and I'll try my best to help out!)
On the original topic of this thread: I agree that having something in addition to tax certs might help with the problem of land barons only logging in to pay taxes. However, as far as what that actual item should be...I don't know. Although adding iron/stone/lumber to the tax cert process might boost the market for those items, I don't think it would make a big enough impact for the mega land barons who probably have enough gold to spare. It might encourage smaller land barons to let go of some of their land, but what would be stopping the mega land barons and the usual land grabbers from grabbing those plots once they demo/expire? I don't know if introducing a new kind of item/currency (or a daily/weekly quest task thing?) would help or just mess everything up. Another option could be to exponentially increase the amount of taxes that must be paid per additional plot or, like someone mentioned before, increase the amount of taxes on design placement or limit the frequency of how often a player can place a design down. Also, like many people stated before, limiting the amount of land that can be owned might be an option, but based on square footage or types of plots instead of number of plots. It would suck, and I would hate it, but it might be necessary. Unfortunately for now, the only quick-fix I can think of is to rely on the goodwill of the players. People need to be willing to let go of plots they're not using so newer players can have a chance to use them, and newer players that are picky with land need to understand that it might be unrealistic to aim for a prime spot (like next to an ocean) this late in the game. Existing players renting out plots might help some newer players, and I know there have at least been some efforts by existing players towards this. Maybe if there's enough people doing that, someone could make a thread with all the people who have land available for rent/use specifically for new players or something, idk. I'm just brainstorming ideas.
(Tl;dr Iron/stone/lumber in addition to taxes is probably not significant enough to make an impact on mega land barons, and demos will likely just go to another land baron or a land grabber. Might have to rely on goodwill of existing players or just outright cap the amount of land players can own)
On the topic of "open" land: In terms of "open" spots, there's a good chance there will not be anything above an 8x8. However, there are plenty of plots that undergo demolition. Sometimes plots aren't being used because the owner just logs in to pay taxes, but other times it's empty because the person quit or got banned or otherwise does not play the game anymore. Even plots that seem like they're being used can demo. My point is, inspect every plot for any signs of it demoing, take note of the date and time, and prepare to snag it once it expires. However, if you want a plot next to the ocean or specialty workbench, you're not going to find one unless you buy it from someone else or you're super lucky and have great ping. Prime spots like oceans are always being contested for, so there is a very low chance you'll be able to get land there. If all you want is a place to put a 16x16 scarecrow, look into places that are more inland or not as popular, such as arid and tropical climate areas. Your first 16x16 may not be in an ideal spot, but it should be enough to get you started so you can either buy more land or wait for more demos to claim.
(Tl;dr For players looking for land: Look for demos in not-as-popular housing zones or not-as-popular climates. If you're picky with land...good luck?)
My personal experience with land that no one cares about: When I started a few weeks after the October launch, I couldn't find any open spots. I ended up having to start with an 8x8 on the outskirts of the city of Mahadevi. I was really picky about my land though, and I really wanted a spot in Villanelle near the ocean because it was a temperate climate and oceans are cool. But no matter how hard I looked (and I looked in every nook and cranny in Villanelle), I couldn't find any open space. Not even anything demoing. I was very close to just quitting at that point. But I didn't (for some reason), I just farmed away on my tiny little plot in the middle of nowhere. A week or two later, my friend (who started before me) gave me two 16x16 plots in Windscour because he didn't need them anymore. I wasn't too thrilled about it since it was an arid climate, but land was land. At the same time, I was still watching all the plots in Villanelle closely, waiting for a demo. I managed to find an uncontested 16x16 in the housing province above The Paddies. Within a few weeks, I ended up getting 4 16x16s and 1 24x24 just in the area above The Paddies (2 of the 16x16s and the 24x24 came from a liberally spaced treehouse that expired but whatever). I tried contesting for land next to the ocean but...nope, my ping was way too bad and there were too many people. I had to give up on land near the ocean. Fast forward another month, where I stumbled across an open 16x16 space that probably demo'd a few hours ago. After decided I didn't need it, I gave it to my neighbor for free because I saw they were struggling to get more than 1 16x16 plot and everyone else owned the entire province. Fast forward again to a few days ago, I was able to snag 3 28x28s in Windscour, uncontested of course, and only because it was a natural reaction for me to grab expiring land. I don't actually need it, and definitely don't want to pay all the taxes for it (because I use a lot of labor just from farming because I'm a massive carebear). All I want now is a specific 28x28 plot right next to Windscour Lake, and then I can probably just demo the rest of my Windscour plots (because it's annoying trying to sell land). Maybe some Villanelle ones too. Honestly the only reason I'm still keeping them is so I could possibly offer it up for trade to a specific person in exchange for the specific plot I want. I am actually so desperate for it. ...What was the point of this paragraph again? Anyways, if you're new and need help, send me mail (because I hardly ever look at chat) and I'll try to help you out as best as I can!
(Tl;dr For new players: Don't give up. Be patient and persistent. Also, send me mail in game if you need help finding land or something and I'll try my best to help out!)
