If you don't understand why people go to fresh starts, which it seems you don't, I'll try to explain a bit. The main thing is the experience of the game itself, enjoying aspects that are forgotten and ignored on developed servers. When everyone is competing to get the first Anthalon, Kraken, RD, Castle, Nation, etc. Being a part of that is something that brings many competitive players to Fresh Starts - actually playing the game. Another reason people go to it is to get away from a bad situation they're currently in which is why people leave legacy servers for private servers and fresh starts in the first place.
How can you be sick of what brought us all to the game in the first place? I've played every fresh start because I enjoy that aspect, the same reason people play new seasons of POE, play the start of new seasons in games like League, etc. It brings that competitive aspect back and that race back. It's a thrill you can't get on developed servers.
Rose tinted glasses... Fresh Start Syndrome... I understand the reasons very well cause well look I already alluded to it !
In the end, what's stopping ppl from constantly always asking for Fresh Starts then, always getting bored of developed server, always hopping to the next new thing... Asking for another Fresh Start somewhere else.... Going to Fresh Starts somewhere else... What's the point opening Fresh Start server when time and time again just gonna move on like a one-night fling...
That's all besides the point, though, my argument is that AR can sustain the population of two servers. It's funny, though you keep arguing why people would ever want to play a new server yet at the same time are incredibly fearful of people leaving your server to go to a new one. If you're right and everyone playing AR right now thinks like you that wouldn't be a problem, it seems you know that people enjoy fresh start servers and are scared that they'll leave yours yet you argue a viewpoint that disingenuously attempts to frame anyone who would prefer a new server to an old one as foolish.
I never said anything arguiing about why people (in current server or not) would
ever want to play a new server (as if to imply it would never happen); I said it was practically guranteed that everyone would hop to the new server if it came out. Players on Server now and new players incoming alike. Complete opposite.
The OG Archerage server will not sustain if an exact junior replica appears as a Fresh Start. We know why. You know why. You just said why. Everyone is chasing that rose-tinted view of the very thing in the game that they enojoyed the most, if as you say the compettitiveness... Well we KNOW sheep will jump.
Did I do a bang up job of my attempt at framing y'all as foolish? 'cause that's what I was going for...
Don't act as though I was trying to exclude myself from that class of sheep and fools .... Because in the end when the Fresh Start comes out I will be a sheep too! And NOT because I actually WANT to go to a Fresh Start !
I will have all the reasons to hop over when all my guildmates and family go over; that alone is convincing enough. Ignoring all the other content based reasons...
All the more reason to be a sheep when wouldn't you know it(!), the OG server got killed off by it's little brother... lol
You ask what I mean by barrier of entry, for a competitive player the barrier of entry is being competitive. When people in the top guilds are starting to get their Erenor weapons and the average is epic t6 armor do you really thing a fishing boat and celest t4 armor is enticing? You're arguing from the PoV of someone who probably isn't really competitive on the server and plays it like a gear simulator, which isn't a bad thing but there's a reason many competitive guilds play new servers. The mindset of someone who would want to come and make a guild, for example, is turned away from such an established server because your only real options are to start from incredibly behind and join an established guild already which isn't something that sounds exciting for someone leaving live.
I acknowledge that everyone has different things they want out of the game. That's fair and valid.
Yet all the things you list about compettitiveness, fresh feeling, firsts of doing x....
All of that will disappear soon enough and the server, whether AR or other private servers, will become stale all over again...
Just like Trapwhere02 said:
^ this. everything that makes you not want to join now is a stupid excuse because all of it will happen on fresh start very soon aswell.
No, i would not change my mind because I know this isn't the case as xkf2 already explainend. People WILL join fresh start, plenty of current AR players will do so, lowering our population.
Theres a ton of people that are unhappy with their faction or the fact that PN is free-farming the server with east right now. I'm sure a bunch of 7K+ gearscore people would leave because they feel like they've already achieved everything or most of it, just like everyone who joined for 3.5 will leave because why start on legacy when a fresh start just opened ?
Fresh Start is an awful concept and the only reason you want one is so you can be on par with everyone, which will only be the case for max. a month before it will be a 1:1 copy from our current server, slightly less aged.
I just don't see the point of AR doing a self-own basically killing their already successful server to... what end exactly? Prolonging the survival of THEIR ArcheRage server?
For what end will opening a new AR server achieve....
Players like you will hop to the next Fresh Start becuase it's.... Compettitve, redoing the firsts of everything....
New Server is not the solution. It's more an incredible self-own.
It's very interesting that you continuously argue that people will leave the current AR to go to a new server, you do know there's multiple new servers being worked on, right? If what you're saying is true they're going to leave to one of them anyway - by starting your own before the other one's launch you're keeping that playerbase on AR but also taking the hundreds-thousands of players waiting on those servers to AR as well thus adding to the community.
You asked why people leave and claimed that the reason they leave is because they're sheep, it's an incredibly condescending viewpoint that will only hurt AR in the end, especially with all the new PS's being worked on.
Yes! This is clearly something you and I agree on, just with different approaches! You said it well enough, if everyone is going to leave then start your own ! Absolutely incredible self-own of the OG server to open its direct competitor.... themselves...................... and kill their OG server
Is that really a fix to the perceived problem? Not at all!
I just don't really see the point opening up ANOTHER AR server to commit a self-killing of the things we already have...
The only proposed benefit that I can see to the AR devs themselves is... what they get a new batch of people coming to donate for a short brief amount of time and then they end up in the same place as before, "stale" server and more people asking for a fresh start.
If they did that... they'd be no better than LIVE/RETAIL *gasp*
Yes. I know about the other private servers. None are near the quality and level of finish that AR has managed to achieve. You acknowledge that yourself when you say that AR is one of the best ones and offers the most....
But if everyone is just chasing that FRESH taste, that COMPETITIVENESS, they they don't care where they are going.
So then why PROPOSE a replica AR server that would just kill the already existing OG AR server.
And then it would not only be the same in a very short amount of time, it would STILL be competing with all those other private server you seem to be mentioning.
You keep saying
You asked why people leave and claimed that the reason they leave is because they're sheep, it's an incredibly condescending viewpoint that will only hurt AR in the end, especially with all the new PS's being worked on.
Yes, sheep will kill the server(s) ALL OF THEM! MYSELF AS A SHEEP INCLUDED. However, you are wrong to say that my claim is that all the new server being worked on are going to hurt AR. That is not what I said.
I said that the sheep have proven time and time again that they made the mistake of going for fresh starts whenever and wherever they appeared; see retail where people went back to its fresh start without really thinking of why they left in ithe first place...
Something like that will undermine this and any other private server, and any other that will open following, all directly competing with one another...
I said this earlier:
Even back in March 2018 or whatever when RETAIL did a fresh start, AR hemmoraged some people to that server even though ours was in your own estimate, "the best". Why did they leave then? because people are sheep and always jump for new server!
It will not be any different!
The FUNNY thing is that they came back after 2 months
Wouldn't you know it, those people came back cause retail was absolutely craptastic. Learned their lesson didn't they.
If anything the point I am trying to make is that people go for fresh starts thinking it will be the fix for all their frustrations, but, no you just end up in the SAME place.
The same would happen for WHEN a non-AR private server opens... Ppl will jump for its fresh start and then come back to AR, if AR is as good as you seem to say it is in your own evaluation; my example of the RETAIL fresh start proved that point...
And especially looking at the quality of other servers and the state where they are right now with no minimum viable product, I'm skeptical of whether they are up to par at all.......
My concerns regarding server health are in the hypothetical of the exact situation you want:
You want AR to open ANOTHER AR server when there's no other compettition with even a minimum viable product.
Yet, AR Fresh Start is INCOMPARABLE to Fresh Start/new server opening on retail or non-AR private server, simply becasue everyone, like you said, knows of AR's proven quality. There would be no "coming back" to AR because if you MOVED to the Fresh Start AR server
Well you'd ALREADY BE ON AR!!
End result: OG AR server dies.
Having had first hand experience of how good it is right now and if we as sheep (AGAIN MYSELF INCLUDED) have the chance to move to something that is exactly the same in terms of the experience...
Why wouldn't you move from one thing to the exact same thing except...
F R E S H
like you said youself.... Competitive, firsts.... lits goes on...
I don't think there's any point trying to say anything more about this really.
