On a serious note there's no way to realistically compensate a PN. There's no way you can just remove a guild and a whole community of people playing together because it doesn't seem fair from your perspective.
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As I said above there is no way to get a fair compensation for deleting a player nation. And you shouldn't be able to say 'I don't think this is fair, please sparkle delete PN's'. Also if you really want this server to stand out from live than how does it make sense that they should delete the PN's? So as you said Why follow in their footsteps?
Correct, there is no realistic compensation, but it's becoming a necessity from what I see. Server transfers and PN's ruined Live, why keep them here?
You do understand that many player nation members don't even login anymore due to lack of PvP right? This is basically a free catch up mechanic for you guys. That's why we complain about PvP. I've seen a East/West players not even try to improve their gear. This is how you say... ...You're correct, gear progression is the most important thing in Archeage. Gear progression is how you view positive growth of a server. Notice how the top gear score players we're still sitting where they were a few months ago for a long time before the server became more active. And notice that as the PvP has died, that gear progression for a lot of the players hasn't really increased all that much.
On the other side of this if a player doesn't want to PvP, they shouldn't show up to a PvP event, and also they should be rewarded for winning PvP events. If you guys don't want to PvP that's fine. But I'm not sure what that has to do with us being able to stomp you, last I checked, you guys don't even show up to anything anymore. And when did it become my responsibility to help a faction grow? Until 4.5, Archeage is a guild based game. Factions are just a formality. There's no reason to work as a faction, bloodlusting alone makes this a cold hard fact of the game. Why would I work with you when I can just kill you instead? And aren't we helping East by allying with them? We literally help them at all times of the day to do events so that way they can get geared.
This essay is relevant...eventually. I won't TLDR it because this is a discussion and anecdotes help any discussion as long as they are related to the topic, from my experience.
I've attempted to go down a better road with the West than our predecessors in order to make SOME form of PVP happen that can be deemed fair. I'm sure their opinions don't mean much, but I've attempted to help the West a LOT, and they've made quite a bit of progress despite being undergeared and untrained! I'm honestly very proud of them. I went from a reset Halcy of 9 people (6 being my own guild) showing up for 10 kills to over a full raid consistently back when Gildarmesh was still playing and leading, and those fights were incredibly fun and even when we lost, whether it be an off day where only 30 people showed up or we got beat in a 60v60 by the skin of their teeth, they were enjoyable and we all learned something every day from it (thank you to Lads for the many learning experiences btw ).
But since then, the East was hit by a population problem with a handful of their fighters joining a Player Nation (eventually congregating to PN1), and I still attempted to help those East members remaining at reset, as I believe Footlong can attest to. The alliance with PN1 has presented a large problem, because as far as I can see, a "fair fight" isn't something wanted. PN1 has a solid 10 people that can wipe out a full raid of either faction (sans a few strong guilds on either side), and so they trickle members into the fight until eventually they win. Then the faction they beat 1:5 is demoralized and stop showing up to events, meaning they stop attempting to improve their gear and skills because they know the inevitable outcome is the Player Nation members will call in more DPS, more healers, and eventually win a straight up fight. This isn't a time for a catch up mechanic when 90% of a raid is comprised of players that one archer can sweep down with 1 Missile Rain, or one mage can drop with 2/5 God's Whips. These players don't have as much confidence in those next to them as you do, they don't have the experience in PVP that you do, and they don't have (literally) half the gear you guys do. As I said in another thread, your average gear score combined is nearing 6.5k. No guild on the East or West can even compare to that average. So when these 2500-4500 GS players see people 2-3x stronger than them coming to one-shot them, why do you think they should keep returning? You learn nothing being one-shot aside from "don't go to the event again". I'm not talking about Halcy, I'm talking about something as stupid-simple as CR and GR.
Is that what is really wanted with the Pending Collapse nation here? To be kings of a mountain of ashes? Because I personally have tried to make this activity issue better at reset from the West at least (which has been hellaciously attacked since I started here a year ago for not showing to Halcyona), but every step forward is immediately set back 2 steps by people who then throw toxic behavior into the mix and expect people to willingly stick around for it. I've legitimately tried, and when I step away from the game for 3 days to work on other games that my community plays, I am met with hate mails and PM's and the like from people, accusing me of dodging PVP and running away and telling the West to stay away from events so they don't get the PVP they desperately desire. The West doesn't want to be met with toxicity in a game they play for fun, but it's either a complete steamroll by PN, or a steamroll of the 5 East that show up by the 15 West that x up for reset. That's what this situation has torn itself down to.
TL: DR
Flipsy is just mad and everything he said in his post is one sided and opinionated.
You guys spend a lot of time putting words in my mouth, I am flattered by this. But as I said before, I stepped up to lead a reset Halcy when no one on the West would, and spent 4 weeks improving it through positive behavior and there has been a drastic improvement in how the West handles itself, which I don't recall seeing in my time on the server. I'm not saying I'm good at this at all (I'm not), but at least I'm trying to improve things "back home". I'm not mad at all, not sure where you are coming from with that...but I do like the same exact arguments you guys bring to the table with this topic. It's almost like your posts are all one-sided and opinionated
Tl;Dr every geared / good player went pn and main factions don’t know how to play come back and carry us xD
See previous reply to Burlin's TLDR.